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Oliver Grass
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Heyho,
i started looking at javaranch about two weeks ago. I'm especially interested in the certification-forum, cause this is the goal i wanna achieve in 3 or 4 weeks.
When you look at the posts in the forum you see about 24000 ... This is a lot and shows how people participate... During the last two weeks i noticed that there are a lot of people opening new topics like "im scjp2 now" or "SCJP me = new SCJP()". And most of these topics were visited from a lot of people. Problem now is, you nearly can't find the topics, which have real problems and where you can learn something ....
Is it possible to create a new Forum for all these people who have passed the exam??? This will reduce the size of the certification-forum AND will make navigation easier. Another advantage is, that people can concentrate on the real problems and don't have to search through all these "i passed" messages.
Don't get me wrong, i am not jealous and i don't want that all these topics should disappear. But they can be moved to a separate forum....
cheers
Oliver
 
Frank Carver
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The difficulty with proposals like this is that they require people to post their messages in the proper place for them to work. My gut feeling is that (a) a lot of these posts would continue to be posted in the Prog Cert forum, because that's "where the action is" and (b) very few people would actually bother to read or reply to messages in another forum if there's no reason to go there in the first place.
I would love for you to prove me wrong, as we desparately need a a way of making the Prog Cert forum more easy to use as well as popular. I suggest you ask this question in the Prog Cert forum, and see how many answers you get, these would be the same people who would have to reply in a different forum, after all.
 
Oliver Grass
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I did it
Let's wait and see wut happens....
If this is not possible, wut other possibilities are there to divide the Prog Cert forum???
any ideas???
cheers
Oliver

[This message has been edited by Oliver Grass (edited November 10, 2000).]
 
Graeme Brown
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I just wanted to say that I support Oliver, these messages just get in the way.
Banning these posts from the Programmer Cert forum may give the Sheriffs a bit more work to start with, moving posts to the new forum, but people will get the message eventually.
If people are interested in the posts they will go and view the new forum, if not then it makes Oliver's point even more valid.
 
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How would you feel if we broke the cert forum up into about five forums. I kinda think that the one forum is getting waaaaay too much traffic.
 
Matt DeLacey
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Hey Cowpokes,
I would LOVE to see this happen. I appreciate the JavaRanch more than anything at this point, but I am visiting it less and ess frequently because it seems to me to be drowning in a sea of "congrats...can you give me everything you ever used to prepare for the exam". In principle, I disagree with the sentiment here, but I'm certainly not campaigning to have it stopped, but if there was a different area where these things were posted, it would REALLY help, because I could just never go there. Some people get irritated about the does this compile type question or some such where the answer is easy to obtain with a compiler, but this doesn't bother me so much because I generally go ahead and check and it helps me. ANY question/answer type posts are interesting to me. I also like to see people post there results and corresponding suggestions about the exam, it's just the 50 or so congrats...spoonfeed me follow-ups that drive me crazy. This has been a longwinded post to basically say, yes, I would REALLY be infavor of splitting that forum into several.
With Respect,
Matt
 
paul wheaton
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Any suggestions on what it should be broken into? Of course, one forum would be about exam results. What might be some others?
 
Matt DeLacey
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I like the idea of having the separate area for results as Paul has suggested. Isn't there some way to get people's email off of here? I have had multiple emails requests from people in recent weeks asking me for specific exam questions. The ONLY way they could have gotten my email is off this site (at least that is the only way I can figure because this is the only SCJP forum I belong to/participate in). Perhaps a request could be made to send the congratulations type posts straight to the person's email rather than posting on the board. Just a thought.
Matt
 
Oliver Grass
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Hi,
this is not easy, but i can make a suggestion.
1) Abstraction, polymorphism, inheritance and encapsulation (Objects, modifiers, overriding, overloading, static methods, nested classes and so on)
2) Implementation and behavior of Object's methods in derived classes (e.g. equals vs. ==, toString(), and so on)
3) Advanced Thread topics (wait, notify, synchronized, yield, interrupt)
4) I/O (Constructors, Chaining, Writers, Reader, InputStreams, OutputStreams)
5) Basics (everything else, which doesn't fit in the other categories)
5) Exam (all the congrat and the useful stuff about exams)
6) Java wonderland
Problem is, that some of these will be very high frequented, for example the basics (people will not think very much about if this is a String or a I/O-question)
I would love a section about problems people detected, when writing some test programs. I named it Java wonderland, cause sometimes you really have to wonder (e.g. private static void main(String[] args)).
 
Frank Carver
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But most of these topics already have Java Ranch forums.
If you are studying hard for the exam, it's easy to think of everything in terms of the exam. So a problem with threads (say) becomes an exam question rather than a threads question. Also for many people starting out with Java, they may not even know that it's a threads question "notify" and "run" etc. are just method calls, after all.
The idea of setting up all these topic-specific forums was to take the load off the heavily-used forums, but it has only partially worked. What we need to do now is to try and find some way of splitting the SCJP forum which will be obvious and easy to follow for anyone, however much java knowledge and experience with Java Ranch they have.
 
paul wheaton
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I agree with Frank.
Threads, I/O, etc. can go in the appropriate forums outside of certification.
 
Oliver Grass
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Okay,
i can understand that....
As i said before, it's not easy.....
Do you have the possibility to create subforums, or are all the new (let's assume there will be some new ones ) top-level???

Originally posted by Frank Carver:
But most of these topics already have Java Ranch forums.

But then you can divide the SCJP only in two or three forums. From my point of view you can create an exam-forum, where people can talk about their experience with SCJP. And the old SCJP forum....
Perhaps one with nuts and bolts or something like that...
It was only a suggestions, and perhaps someone has better ideas. We will see
cheers
Oliver
 
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