JSP and Servlets support

[Rolf Weasel]

hi! i'm new to modelling. i hear that Together/J will generate skeletal code for u. Does Rational Rose do this too? The application i am developing is going to use JSP and servlets. Do these modellers support JSP-Servlets?
How does Together/J compare with Rational Rose anyways? or is there any other modeller worth considering? i saw something about "How", which apparantly is a modeller and IDE all rolled into one. is it any good?

[paul wheaton]

I have never used Rose although I have heard that TJ is far superior.

[Rolf Weasel]

i heard that too (mainly from u, paul!). but is it worth spending $1500 more on? i'm deciding between rose foundation for java, and tj. what does tj have that rose java does'nt?

[Angela Poynton]

I use Rose Enterprise Edition, it does create code skeletons for you and you can reverse engineer your code into it. It's very easy to use. I've never use Together J so I can't compare, but consider this a Rose Reccommendation!!

[Rich Wardwell]

My experiences with TogetherJ have been lukewarm at best - crashes often and extremely slow on a P3-600 w/128mb RAM. I haven't used Rose directly, but an architect on our team does - his impression is that it is quite a bit more robust than TJ, both in features and stability.
Personally, I've been testing a new tool that I'm falling in love with called JaVISION from Object Insight. It certainly doesn't have the feature sets of TJ or Rose - it is primarily a class diagramming tool that has both forward and reverse engineering (no sequence diagrams). It's fast, easy to use, prints beautiful diagrams, and is what I now use when I'm starting my designing. It can automatically keep the model updated as you modify your code and has some other neat diagramming capabilities (integration with JavaDoc). Highly recommended.

[paul wheaton]

Go on out to oi.com and check out together J. Get the "whiteboard edition". It's free. It does class diagrams and the full time round trip engineering. I have not used the 3.0 version, but I did use 2.0 on a P2/350 and a P3/600 and it seemed plenty fast to me.

[Rolf Weasel]

hi! thanks for the replys. i got the whiteboard tj and also the rose j (20 day demo). and i had subscribed to the tj newsletter thingy and they just sent me a mail with a license valid for a month that'll make my whiteboard fullblown!
anyways i'm going with rose unless there's something groundbreaking on tj.

[Anonymous]

I have used both Rational Rose and Together J extensively. Rational Rose wins by a slim margin. The problem with Together is that the UML diagrams produced are not fully compatible with the UML standard, in some cases. The program is also not fully tested in my opinion. Strange error messages are always appearing and options that work one moment won't work the next. The feature that turns sequence diagrams into collaboration diagrams is nice, though
That said, Rational Rose trys to encapsilate you. It makes it difficult to export diagrams to word processesing and/or tailor your diagrams as you might want to. Very very annoying. I haven't used Jvision but have heard nice things about it