---------<BR>Guillaume
Originally posted by Paul Roubekas:
Do you get to this level in your book? Or do you stay at the I.T. department level.
Originally posted by Paul Roubekas:
I had a software project fail politically, because it worked technically -- it stopped local managers from anonymously �fixing� hours an employee worked. And the local manager�s bonus was tied to the hours booked/billed. Do you get to this level in your book? Or do you stay at the I.T. department level.
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Originally posted by David Kane:
"Only tens lines of code changed in a week!" The manager was upset at how that would effect the group's "productivity" metric.
Dave
---------<BR>Guillaume
Originally posted by Sanjay Bahal:
Well this is business reqmnt issue. Local mgmt. may want to do things one way but the higher mgmt. may want to do another. Higher mgmt. are the bosses and they set the corporate policy. I would opinion that IT stay out of this mess and the mgmt. reslove the issue of what the app should do.
HTH
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Originally posted by Paul Roubekas:
The book I am talking about is the 'Book Giveaway' for this week at Java Ranch. [b]'Software Architecture: Organizational Principles and Patterns' by David M. Dikel, David Kane, James R. Wilson.
As for the use of word level, think of its use this way... Does the book's use of the term 'Organizational' limit itself to the I.T. department in an Organization or is it the scope the 'Organization', as a whole.
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Originally posted by BILAL HAMEED:
Dave so you are saying that your book also look into organizational level details of the architecture as well. so you want to say that your book covers every thing from management to technical details.
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Originally posted by raj sekhar:
Dave
Your anecdote that didnt make to the press is a REAL scenario at many IT shops.I do agree on it. But there is also a risk in such of those designs that only technically-savvy can work on too ! So in effect isnt there a need to adopt a simpler design in order to have more resources work on it easily? So I'd luv to see an small note beside a particular pattern on its popularity and ease of working. Do you agree? Any comments?
Thanks
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So who and when should care the architectural issue in software development? Does a team really need that?Originally posted by David Kane:
An organization, in the context of the book, can be a development team, a division, even an entire company. We also look at relationships between organizations.
Dave
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep
Originally posted by Doug Wang:
So who and when should care the architectural issue in software development? Does a team really need that?
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Originally posted by BILAL HAMEED:
hi
Dave how would you define significant size of software architecture. what size is significant
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