This forums' elements order

[Leslie Chaim]

As a novice when it comes to "Engineering" I don't have a real question, so I hope a cosmetic question would be fine
The Forums' name is OO, Patterns, UML and Refactoring so we have:

OO

Patterns

UML

Refactoring

Shouldn't it be 2,3,1,4?

[Pradeep bhatt]

Why?
I feel that the current order is fine.

[Leslie Chaim]

Based on the order you'd usually do things and I am just thinking in prospective.
Given a problem, I think you first (2) look for Patterns, then (3) identify the use cases, draw diagrams.. and finally (1) look for an OO implementation.
Refactoring, is then a fruit by itself (4), which can mean simple enhancements (or extending) or all of the above.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks

[Pradeep bhatt]

I feel that one learsn OO first, then patterns and then he/she does UML modeling.

[Pradeep bhatt]

I feel that Javaranch forum is the right place to discuss this.

[Leslie Chaim]

I feel that one learn OO first, then patterns and then he/she does UML modeling.
I totally agree with the order of learning, and I myself am approaching it this way
I feel that Javaranch forum is the right place to discuss this.
If it's only a cosmetic issue as in the opening post, you're right! Maybe my follow up post does merit it's place here.

[Ilja Preuss]

Originally posted by Leslie Chaim:
Given a problem, I think you first (2) look for Patterns, then (3) identify the use cases, draw diagrams.. and finally (1) look for an OO implementation.
Refactoring, is then a fruit by itself (4), which can mean simple enhancements (or extending) or all of the above.
Correct me if I am wrong.

I will!
Design Patterns are nothing more than often used solutions to common design problems. They are *part of* finding an (OO) solution to a problem. Actually, one of the most effective ways to use patterns is to refactor to patterns.
Regarding UML, it can be used to communicate aspects of the problem domain and of the design, wether imagined or already existing.
So I would argue that there is no ordering in time for those concepts.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Does that mean that I am wrong?

[Ilja Preuss]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Does that mean that I am wrong?

No, the JavaRanch forum is certainly the right place to discuss this!

[Leslie Chaim]

Ilja,
Thanks for the clarification.
Leslie