Alex Ayzin

Hi,

During my current job search that started a couple of months ago I see that majority of calls that I get is from companies that represent ASP - Application Services Providers. I never worked for company that does that and to be honest a little bit suspicious of it. Does it have a future? How is it to multitask on different projects for different clients with different business approach and structure? Please fill me in.

Thanks,
--Alex Ayzin

I monitor news about outsourcing pretty closely, given that I lost my jobs 3 times in the last 3 years - all of which were outsourced. I just want to ask a question on the jobs that are about to be created in place of jobs that are gone: what are those jobs??? I keep hearing about those new jobs, about us in dire need to be retrained, but what area should we look into?? Are new jobs going to be in accounting, transportation, fire fighteres, copsspeech patology? What should we do? What should we study for? I just finished paying off my college loans 3 years ago, we still pay my wife's (who was layd-off from one of the top Wall Streeet brokerage houses last Friday due to the whole department outsourcing in India). I still have my job, but for how long? What the hell should we study for now? What are those jobs that going to be created???
--Alex

Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:

I also think they only downside to this is it's waste.

???

Even if they could create and enforce protectionist policies, I wouldn't want them to. That would hurt us more.

Can you explain why?
--Alex Ayzin

Unfortunatelly, I agree with you.
But the question is, do they (the government) really want to help us (the middle-class), or they just blowing wind showing some activities and agressiveness in that area? I mean, none of us is safe anymore. Out of my last 3 projects, 2 were shipped out to India. But the unusual part was, not only developer's position've been moved, but BAs, back-end team, DBA group and even Enterprise Architect group!! The only people that were left behind were top-tier management and a couple of business people(also top management) to monitor the progress. Even though both projects were returned back home within 4-6 months span due to the horrible design and lack of even basic business rules, new people were not hired here in NYC; instead organizations retooled, looked back at their mistakes and shipped it right back...
So the question remains: do they even want to stop this trend or is that just usual BS?
Thanks,
--Alex Ayzin
[ March 03, 2004: Message edited by: Alex Ayzin ]

Here's what I mean:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/dowjones/20040302/bs_dowjones/200403021724001070
--Alex Ayzin

Originally posted by Alan Google:

Don't get me wrong; I have no hostility toward Indian people. Most of the Indians I have met have been decent and hard-working people. But what is going on with offshoring is wrong. If Sun thinks that they are going to send our jobs out of the country with no backlash they are crazy.

Alan, though I totally agree with you about outsourcing, career-threatening developments that have something to do with India or China, I couldn't help but notice one thing: that very much resembles my beloved Seinfeld and he's take on gay people: he can't stand that way of life, not that anything's wrong with that. Sorry, just sounded very much alike . But on other hand I'm totally on board with your position.
--Alex Ayzin

Once our presidential candidates are done with their campaign and the selected one presides again, he's gonna forget all about us again. Corporations will continue its practices, ex-software developers will continue yapping on javaranch.in(or whatever domain extension they're using over in India). Globalozation is coming.. We're gonna be able to buy cheap software build in India, install it on cheap HP machines, build and configured in India and do what?...
I've heard local college converted its CS dept into plumbing department and provides affordable courses to ex-developers. After that sky is a limit. Get your plumbing licence now !
--Alex Ayzin

We're extremely happy for oyu. The news about your growing spending abilities / our shrinking financial potency brings joy and warmth to our hearts .
--Alex Ayzin

This article in Washington Times provides different angle on cost of software development in US.
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The real advantage that overseas competitors may have against their U.S. counterparts in the tech sector, however, is the cost of top management. In the United States, this can run into the billions, even the billions per person. John Chambers, for example, not the founder of Cisco but a professional manager brought into the company in the early 1990s, cashed in $38 million worth of stock options Friday, but this still left him with options worth $363 million at today's prices, all of which he has received since 2001. In total Cisco's stock option plan has issued 321 million shares, with a total value of $7 billion -- considerably more money than the total earnings of the company since its formation. Except for social security tax, of course, none of this money has been reflected in Cisco's income statement, only in its balance sheet, where the company is buying back shares at a frantic rate -- more than $7.8 billion of scarce cash has been spent on share buybacks since 2001, in years of a tech downturn.
Cisco, paying out 100 percent of its profits to executives through share options, is exceptional (though there are companies such as eBay that pay more.) However, many tech companies pay out 30-50 percent of their profits, when the math is done properly. At this level, top management remuneration is not just significant, it may be the largest single element in the company's costs, an element that is almost wholly out of control while that management remains in the U.S., with remuneration standards as they have been since 1995.
The short-sighted greed of U.S. tech management, and the foolishness of a regulatory system that has allowed them to hide the true costs of their overpayment, will bear true responsibility for this development.
Link to that article:
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What do you think?
--Alex Ayzin
[ January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Alex Ayzin ]

Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
Alex- if you saw this on the morning of April 3, you must have been looking at a cached copy. Time to force a refresh.

http://www.javaranch.com/index.html .Net is still part of the header even after refresh.
--Alex

Nobody realized that the site was under attack?
The default page is now read: NetRanch with signature: "Bill wuz here". Noone noticed? Attention to details, kids.
--Alex

Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:

Wasn't the U.S. pushing for a global market and open border policies? Now lets accept the consequences without whining like old women.

Well, losing my second job in as many years last Friday kind of makes you skip all that political-bull$it - personally, I couldn't care less about Global Economy initiative. Will it bring food to my famili's table? No. Does it affect me now? Yes. Our governmnet lost touch withreality, it does what it please without regards to its own taxpayers. But that's beside's the point.

Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:

Realx, take a deep breath and swallow... Sometimes we must accept reality for what it is.

Vitor, I'm not sure what culture you came from, Freanch I'd guess, but here in New York we don't like than some stranger gives unwelcome advices about swallowing. Keep it for yourself.
--Alex

Read it: "The New HP Way: World's Cheapest Consultants" http://www.forbes.com/2002/12/05/cz_qh_1205hp.html
If you're concerned, read and fill out one of these: http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/offshoring
--Alex
P.S: Note to Mark: Please, spare me your contr-arguments that this is a good thing, about survival of the strongest and the fittest and that consumers are only gonna gain from it. I don't care about it. Thank you.
--Alex
[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Alex Ayzin ]

Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
So Alex, Yes or No: (final answer):
Do you believe that Trent Lott should have been allowed to remain leader of the Senate of The Unites States of America? (notice that he still remains a Senator for the people that elected him).
Yes___
No____

YES, I do.
Leader of the Senate of The Unites States of America should be judged by his actions on the official post, not some comment, meaningless or meaningfull, made by him on his oldest collegue birthday celebration. Judged and demoted for horrible economy conditions, people unemployed, unsuccesful war on terrorism, but not for politically incorrected remarks. That's my opinion. We're all hypocrits for being silent on this issue. These issue been clouded on us by some liberal movements for quite some time now, and deeper and deeper we all get sucked into this madness.
I do agree with Thomas about senator Lott not making any friends on a way up to be insured while falling down. If his enemies used that political correct niche to take him down, it means to me that it's powers could be used on lower levels to get to people like us: managers'd get us fired on the basis of our 'politically incorrect' misconducts, cops would have us arrested for shameless look at some woman, lawers would get us suit for being angree with Muslim neighbours. What's next?
--Alex Ayzin

Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
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Don't look now, but that sense of white entitlement you're nurturing looks like it's on a growth spurt.[/QB]

After I've said things you're trying to label me and attach to some growth spurt.
I'm not some pro -white, black, spanish, green, muslim, or whatnot activist. I'm not pro-anything. I'm pro human, whatever it means. Just trying to wish for something that does not exist.
--Alex