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42% is very encouraging passing mark. it's the same as one in beta test.

Good news for us.

Thanks for sharing your stories, dude.
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People should not buy anything from this site -, or related site.

My experience:
I bought SCEA part II preparation. It's basically a PDF file with assembled info from Internet, nothing is specific to the part 2 assignment preparation. Purely garbage. The PDF contains a lot contents copied from Rational Unified Process (RUP) IBM web site, and other site etc.

Andrew, I am sorry for my mistake. If you allowed, I would like to put the PDF file here for people to download it for FREE.

I don't want other people get cheated by them.

By the way, I finished part 2 myself successfully. The only way to do part 2 is to do it yourself.
[ April 17, 2008: Message edited by: Mark Quinn ]

Originally posted by usha nataraj:
Check this link. Might help you to start with.

In fact I am also preparing for SCEA 5 - Part 1.
epractizelabs: They are liars. I paid for the SCEA part 2 preparation, it's totally a garbage. If anyone is interested in their books and offerings for SCEA, I can give it for FREE since I don't want anyone to be cheated, and wasted their money on the crap.
My suggestion: if you can make it work using original BDM, do that. I got marked down on changing the relationship's multiplicity. I doubt that the Grader will carefully read your assumptions even if you make the correct assumptions for the relationships, such as many-to-many. There is no many-to-many in original BDM.

Originally posted by Awais Bajwa:
Thanks Mark for your post.
Can you please share your experience, how did you cover the requirement of making your design compatible for both web and application client.
Did you do anything in the class diagram. I was thinking of writing two different implimentations of the same interface one for web requests and one for application request.
On the other had I am thinking to make my class diagram agnostic of web or application client.
Please your comments

My class diagram is "agnostic of web or application client". I used <<BusinessDelegate>> to support both Web and Application clients. That's just one way of doing that. Definitely you can create 2 different implementations to support different clients - it's a design choice and decision, as long as you have assumptions to state why you're doing that. It's fine.

Also, the Component diagram should show the support of different clients in my mind.

The class diagram -- if you can make it work without breaking the original BDM relationships, do that. I suspect my losing points were due to that. I don't have any interfaces in my class diagram.

You should pay more attention to the class diagram because it's the core of your whole assignment.

Originally posted by m rinaldi:
CONGRATULATION. Great job I think 86% is great. I will be happy just to pass it.
I just uploaded my assignment, and taking part 3 on this Sunday. Just wondering if you can give me some pointers on what topics to prepare for part 3.

Part 3 is easy if you've done part 2 yourself, no challenge. It's just a check to make sure it's you, not someone else who did part 2.

You should be prepared to answer questions in terms of major QoS, architectural tiers, and the like.

Good luck.
[ April 01, 2008: Message edited by: Mark Quinn ]
Your non-functional requirments can be documented. It's difficult to show it in the diagram. I used the deployment diagram (which is not required) to show some design consideration for QoS.
I found out since last year, the SCEA for J2EE 1.4, very few people can pass 90% score, most people ended up with a score in the range of 80-89.

Is that true?
I think you're fine with those books if you really read them. Good luck.
SCEA for J2EE 1.4, Score: 86

I finally passed the SCEA for J2EE 1.4 edition. I was little disappointed with the 86 score, and couldn't believe I received 34 (out of 44) only for class diagram. I closely followed Mark Cade's book, especially the class diagram.

I started working on Part II last December, not very hard, through Jan, Feb. I spent about 3 month on Part II. On Feb 23rd, I took the part III. Today, I received the score.

Anyway, I am happy at the end.

Thank you very much for this forum. It adds lots of values to my Part II preparation - Got a lot of thoughts on the BDM.

The losing points on the class diagram -- could be that I broke the original BDM model's relationships (followed some high mark exam taker's suggestions), and added my own assumptions to it. In the original BDM there was no many-to-many relationship. I added a quite few many-to-many relationships in the class diagram with valid assumptions. Perhaps the exam grader doesn't like the way I changed, one argument could be: the business analyst is no longer available, you can't do that.

Again, thanks everyone.
Grade: P
Score: 86
Comment: n/aThis report shows the total points that could have been awarded in each section and the actual amount of points you were awarded. This information is provided in order to give you feedback on your relative strengths on a section basis. The maximum number of points you could have received is 100, minimum to pass is 70.
Class Diagram (44 maximum) .......................... 34
Component Diagram (44 maximum) ...................... 40 Sequence/Collaboration Diagrams (12 maximum) ........ 12
Thanks Raj and Deepak.

My question is that I have some Factory classes + Contoller classes, should I show this level of detail in the Class diagram? I have more than 20 classes other than the BDM provided. Am I going to the wrong way? too detailed?

I've read people just have 20-25 classes including BDM. I am little bit confused.

Thanks Andrew for your kindly reply.

I understand the policy here. But I want to know who else are working on the assignment 2 so that we can discuss some common concerns, not the assignment questions themselves.

Again, thanks,
Thanks, Ravi, I wish I could join the trial.

Any details? I know the main difference but ..., any question that challenged you during the exam, and in which area?

Hi Ravi,


Can you explain what are the difference between the old and new exams?