Josh Rehman

Hi Frank,

Your sig is broken - try putting a space between your link and the comma. The book sounds interesting, BTW. I'd like to flip through it before buying, but my local B&N doesn't have a copy. Bummer.

Josh

I'm not sure what you mean by a GUI but there is a graphical SQL tool that ships with JBoss 4. You can access it via the JMX console. The Lomboz/JBoss tutorial has instructions. (Google it)

Originally posted by William Duncan:
No when I evaluated it about a month ago, I felt like it was nowhere near lomboz. It will be eventually, probably, but for now I'd stay away from it. Actually, I like MyEclipseIDE plugin best but it cost $30.00 a year. Works pretty good with JBoss too.

Yeah, that product gives me the willies. 30 bucks a year or it stops working...maybe it's irrational but I just don't like being on the consumer end of that revenue model. The product does look OK, though. It doesn't look like the struts thing is any good.

Hi,

I'm evaluating Lomboz right now. It seems pretty good so far; is there any point in checking out JBossIDE?

Thanks.

OK, so I added jboss-common.jar to the server section, ran into a problem where dom4j.jar was missing, added it, and now Lomboz is working. I have a working .server file for JBoss4 under windows!

Moderator: would it be appropriate to post here? Or should I post it on my site and just link to it? Thanks.

I answered at least half of the question - the jar has been replaced by 'jboss-common.jar'. Obviously it was responsible for booting, but other than that it's a mystery...

Hi,

Does anyone know what jboss-boot.jar did in JBoss 3.2.1? Or why it's missing from JBoss 4.0?

(I ask because a) I'm curious, and b) Eclipse plugin Lomboz seems to want to have it in the classpath for j2EE projcets, and JBoss won't seem to start without it)

Thanks so much!

The symptom is that when I right-click on the server name in the "Lomboz J2EE View" in Eclipse, and click "Debug Server", nothing happens. According to the tutorial, some output should appear in the Console view.

Things are almost working. Lomboz seems to want a jar file called "jboss-boot.jar" under jboss/lib. Nothing similiarly named seems to exist there, or else I would try that out.

Hi,

I'm working through the excellent tutorial at TUSC but I'm stumped at the very beginning because Lomboz doesn't come with a JBoss 4 .server file. Using JBoss 3.2.1 is not an option for me because I *must* support JSP 2 (which requires Tomcat 5).

I'm wondering if anyone out there has modified the jboss321.server file so that it works with jboss4 and would be willing to share.

Thanks so much!

Hi there,
As much as I learn about Java server-side development, the more I realize I don't know anything. Or at least, I don't have "the full picture" when it comes to frameworks. It would be nice to compile a comprehensive list of all Java server-side frameworks, both open source and commercial, I think. I'll get the ball rolling:
Servlets (or list by jsr?)
JSP, JSTL, and custom taglibs
Velocity
Webmacro
Freemarker
Tapestry
Turbine
Expresso (sic?)
Tea (and Kettle)
Struts
InternetBeans

Originally posted by Neal Ford:

Velocity is very popular, and has virtually a cult following. In my chapter on Velocity, I use it as the view component in a Model 2 application.

I might also add that it's really easy to use for things like code generation, too. I've not tried it, but I imagine that using JSP for code generation would be rather cumbersome.

Originally posted by Neal Ford:

Yep, it's all about the "gestalt" of developing web apps, especially Part 3, which covers debugging, performance tuning, unit testing, etc. I talk a lot about architecture an design throughout the book, and try to create realistic examples (not toys) to show what web development looks like in the wild, not in a lab.

That's great. Thanks for the response.

How does the inclusion of EL into JSP affect the effecacy and positioning of these 3rd party frameworks?
Also, does your book address the "gestalt" of developing web apps? That is, everything from design, to tools, to deployment, to process and how that all relates the each framework? I ask because custom taglibs, for example, sometimes require server restart, which might seem a small thing, but incrementally adds to development time. Another good reason to ask is that some tools, like IBM's WSAD sell themselves by presumably making all that stuff easier to do, and certainly tooling is an important part of an architectural decision.
Finally, I must say I'm looking forward to winning one of your books; the topic is near and dear to me, after recently having looked at several frameworks and tools including Struts, Freemarker, Webmacro, Velocity, and Tea. It will be interesting to see what you have to say (especially about Tapestry, which I know nothing about).

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what that EMF *is*. I'm a pretty heavy Eclipse user, but I have to admit being confused about this term. Is it a way to write applications "the Eclipse way", or is it a way to model applications? Or is it a way to reverse engineer class structures into graphs?
Maybe it's strange, or just pathetic, but I flipped through a copy of _EMF_ the other day at the bookstore and completely didn't "get" what the point of the book was.
Thanks for the clarity.