Tim Holloway wrote:Well, if there's a gazillion dollars involved, that means probably at least one MajorVendor and when you tell them you're violating J2EE specs, they're likely to say you voided the warranty.
Tim Holloway wrote:It's probably actually easier/cleaner to set up and run a master poller thead from a ServletContextListener than it is to code that sort of stuff in servlet code anyway. The general problem set isn't that uncommon, regardless of whether the scope or protocols are.[/quote[
Just to be clear this code won't be in the actual servlet. It will be in the class library that wraps the network protocol API.
Tim Holloway wrote:Something of this nature can be built in large part using off-the-shelf components and common design patterns and implemented as a JavaBean. Meaning that the Master Poller could be made to run stand-alone or under some other sort of service instead of being wholly dependent on servlet architecture. It's also easier to test and tune stuff built that way.
I will think more about this but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Master Poller concept. If I understand what you mean it's a task of some sort that keeps track of all the data that's available on all the servers.
I did try something like that in the begining of the project but doing it on the client side is very slow. I have proposed a design that leverages the server's data structures to create a mysql database. The idea is each server would maintain a db of what it knows about and replicates it to my project located centrally. I'm sure if an when this project will be funded.
Tim Holloway wrote:Well, I did say results would be unpredictable. I worked with people who had system that would do that, although more like about 3 times a week. They never had time to do a post-mortem/repair but always had time to reboot. The problem with "once or twice over 3 years" is that very suddenly things can flip to "once every 4 or 5 minutes". I've had that happen to me. For example an OS update almost earned me a 3AM all-expenses paid trip to Chicago because someone's data compression library had been doing something "clever" for years.
Tim Holloway wrote:OK, going back to the head of the thread and cross-correlating. It appears that you have a collection of content servers and you have been polling them for available content. Polling was done on-request per-user and not in conjunction with a master (shared) content list. This sounds like something that an outfit such as Netflix might do, although I'd expect that Netflix is also doing things that allow stuff like migrating content nearer to consumers.
First question would be whether or not you would be better served by having a master (non-servlet) thread handle the polling at regular intervals and leaving the servlets the less-intensive task of checking against the accumulated results (which could be cached locally and/or stored in a local database).
Second question would be whether it's feasible to avoid polling in part or in whole by making the content servers post content changes as they happen. For example, as a callback process.
Stefan Evans wrote:>Only the single method is multithreaded, the servlet itself is one thread controlled by the container (per instance of course).
The "per instance of course" comment worries me a little.
As I understand it, Servlets are multithreaded by default. An instance of a servlet can have multiple threads running through it at one time , which is why you don't use instance variables in them.
Does this mean you have implemented SingleThreadModel on your servlets?
Perhaps you mean one thread per request?
Stefan Evans wrote:
In terms of you plam. I'm wondering how you envision this working
You poll all of the servers asking "what have you got"
Do you wait for all the responses to come back before continuing?
What if one of them fails to respond?
What about errors/exceptions?
Stefan Evans wrote:
What you have described sounds justifiable to me.
It might be better implemented as a seperate service that your servlets invoke. That keeps the puritans happy by wrapping the threads in another layer.
The servlet shouldn't have to care that the service is multithreaded as long as it gets the information it asks for.
You might consider using the Servlet 3.0 async calls if you aren't already.
my 2 cents in any case
Stephan van Hulst wrote:I don't believe -cp and -jar work very well in conjunction. Anyway, consider shipping the application with a shortcut fit for the OS (or shotgun all the shortcuts). For windows, the target should be java -cp myLittlePlot.jar;%MYLIB_HOME%\mylib.jar my.little.plot.Main.
Stephan van Hulst wrote:I really don't understand what kind of architecture would lead these applications to be able to use the API that your library implements, while omitting a way to configure the plugin locations.
If these applications were compiled by you, but you don't include the library in each individual distribution to link against, this is BAD.
Setting a global classpath is WORSE.
Campbell Ritchie wrote:]Please explain more. Setting a system CLASSPATH usually does more harm than good.