Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
Oh please. It's a typo. In the very next sentence the writer refers to "the September 1970 rally in Valley Forge". Your statement was far more inaccurate than the writer's.
In any event, your statement does nothing to distance Senator Kerry from the VVAW, which as I said is more disturbing than any casual relationship with Jane Fonda.
Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
Following this logic, since the picture in question is not a fake, then the article must be reliable.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I don't know about the photograph one way or the other. All I know is that he appeared at anti-war rallies with Jane Fonda.
John Kerry: A Peacenik for President?
Much has been made of a possible connection between Kerry and Jane Fonda after recent widespread publication of a picture of him sitting behind Fonda at an anti-war rally on Labor Day, 1971, in Valley Forge Pennsylvania.� Kerry, then a head of the radical anti-war group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, allegedly worked closely with Fonda on two war protests:� the September 1970 rally in Valley Forge where Fonda and Kerry spoke from the back of the same pickup truck, and a January 1971 protest in Detroit which they called the ''Winter Soldier Investigation.
Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Bush could do two things, at least, that could give him an upper edge over Kerry for the time being. Restore the Steel embargos to gain back the support of the blue collar workers and come out with some import duties on software imports (highly unlikely, I think) to appease the white collar workers.
Originally posted by Richard Hawkes:
Similar arguments against compulsory national ID cards are used by people that oppose gun registration, namely that the state is being given too much information about its citizens that could in theory be abused.
The main counter argument that "if you're a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear" doesn't seem to be able to sway that particular point of view.
I wonder what the correlation is (if any) between supporters of gun registration and supporters of national ID card systems?
Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of the limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it.
Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
This is exactly the tactic employed by the Nazis. They required all Jews to ID themselves and then used this very means to conduct the holocaust.
Without that paper trail, a manual recount isn't possible, Wexler argued
But Circuit Judge Karen Miller ruled Wexler did not have the standing to file the suit, since he could not prove he had been hurt, either as a citizen or as a public official, by the voting system. Wexler's complaints would be better addressed through legislative remedies, her order said.
Wexler said the judge's order seemed to erase Florida voters' ability to challenge the system.
"I see this as the judge dismissing Florida's voters and ... their voting rights," he said.
Hood said she was "very pleased" with the court's decision.
"We never had any doubt that, with the high level of confidence in the equipment across the state, we would continue to see accurate and secure elections," she said.
Miller stressed the courts have no place in determining the remedy Wexler is seeking, since it would require them to determine a system for recounts, how to fund and oversee that system and how to resolve potential problems.
On December 8, 2000, the Supreme Court of Florida ordered that the Circuit Court of Leon County tabulate by hand 9,000 ballots in Miami-Dade County. It also ordered the inclusion in the certified vote totals of 215 votes identified in Palm Beach County and 168 votes identified in Miami-Dade County for Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., and Senator Joseph Lieberman
Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
Bush was not AWOL that has been discredited.
I could also post some links on the earth is flat. But that would not make the earth flat. Some people will believe whatever they want anyway.
"I don't know if [Bush] showed up, I don't know if he didn't. I don't remember how often I was even at the base."
Still, the same day the retired general had withdrawn the allegation...
"As to the former, I'll just respond that if GWB used family connections to get into the Guard, he still joined a unit elements of which were involved in combat in Vietnam at the time he enlisted." Hobbsonline
"The most logical explanation as that GWB put in his hours on the base, and no one in Alabama knew he was the son of a future president as well as a future president and no one took special note of him." HobbsOnline
"This transfer refusal left Bush still obligated to attend drills with his regular unit, the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron stationed at Ellington Air Force Base near Houston. However, Bush had already left Texas two weeks earlier and was now working on Winton Blount's campaign staff in Alabama."
"Lieutenant Colonel Bricken recently explained to the Boston Globe, ''We met just one weeknight a month. We were only a postal unit. We had no airplanes. We had no pilots. We had no nothing.''" http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671
"You don't get to be a good pilot by not showing up. Bush showed up.... he was discharged early with, remember, his service time requirement completed.... His honorable discharge is the evidentiary coup de grace." HobbsOnline
An honorable discharge does not indicate a flawless record," says Grant Lattin, a military law attorney in Washington and a retired Marine Corps lieutenant colonel who served as a judge advocate, or JAG officer. "Somebody could have missed a year's worth of Guard drills and still end up with an honorable discharge." http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/020904A.shtml
"few if any military units are held as accountable for their crews' moment to moment whereabouts as are reconnaissance squadrons. It's what they do. If during my Air Force tenure, I'd lost track of a reconnaissance aircraft or its pilot for a mere few seconds, I'd sure as hell remember it, as would every other person on my watch.... Their movements are traced and recorded precisely, and the records are kept forever.... That a recon squadron would be unable to account for the whereabouts of one of its pilots, between Texas and Alabama no less, and for twelve months is absurd in the lunatic extreme"
"His records have clearly been cleaned up," says author James Moore, whose upcoming book, "Bush's War for Re-election," will examine the issue of Bush's military service in great detail. Moore says as far back as 1994, when Bush first ran for governor of Texas, his political aides "began contacting commanders and roommates and people who would spin and cover up his Guard record. And when my book comes out, people will be on the record testifying to that fact: witnesses who helped clean up Bush's military file."
Paul, a post in this thread said America was complicit in the Holocaust. That is what I took exception to, and was told that it is acceptable. Joe Pluta
Draft dodgers are not brave, nor do they exhibit moral character. Someone who avoids service to their country through fraud, deceit or deception is actually severely deficient in moral character. The best example of a truly moral objection to war was that of Muhammad Ali... Joe Pluta
A question I would pose: if one is not willing to serve the country of their citizenship in time of war, is that person actually living up to that citizenship? Joe Pluta
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The Declaration of Independence
Did the signers of the Declaration run away? Marilyn de Queiroz
Any analogies of the US and Nazi Germany are too disgusting to contemplate and show a profound ignorance of the aims, motivations, and actual practices of Nazi Germany. Herb Slocomb
You admire people who would sit back and watch as others are burned alive in in ovens by the millions? Someone who would allow tens of thousands of Korean women to be forced into sex slaves for Japanese brutes ? Someone who would allow every conceivable horror imaginable that was perpetrated by Nazi Germany and Japan and do nothing violent to stop it is not to be admired. Quite the contrary.... Herb Slocomb
That's because it's within the rules to equate America with Nazi Germany, but it's bad manners to tell someone they're an idiot for doing so. Joe Pluta